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(PC) Ball not right on Kickoffs.

Posted: 20 October 2015, 02:58
by MightyQue
On many occasions the ball on kickoffs is not doing what its suppose to do.

How can I post a link to a game.

My kickoff returner got under the blue light. The ball bounced next to him and then one more bounce. He should have had a chance to catch it.

I have seen where the computer places player under blue light on High Kick and once again, doesnt get a chance to catch, bounces next to him and then bounces once more.

This has been happening ALOT lately.

Re: (PC) Ball not right on Kickoffs.

Posted: 20 October 2015, 07:41
by SuperGnu
Gust of wind maybe?

Re: (PC) Ball not right on Kickoffs.

Posted: 20 October 2015, 08:02
by Darkson
Yep, Kick Off-Return is used after the scatter but before the Kick-Off table, so if the kick-off roll was "Changing Weather" and the new result was "Nice" then there would be an additional scatter before the bounce.

Sounds like it's working as intended, though a check of the replay should confirm if this is the case.

Re: (PC) Ball not right on Kickoffs.

Posted: 20 October 2015, 08:36
by MightyQue
It doesnt sound like its working right. The blue light is where the ball will land before bounce. High kick and you move a player ro the blue light that player should get the chance to catch the ball

Re: (PC) Ball not right on Kickoffs.

Posted: 20 October 2015, 10:21
by rinku
"High Kick" is a kickoff table result and won't happen together with Nice Weather. If the ball doesn't land on a High Kick player, something is wrong.

I have not seen it happen though. All the High Kick receivers I've seen have caught it or fumbled it.

Re: (PC) Ball not right on Kickoffs.

Posted: 20 October 2015, 12:21
by MightyQue
30 years playing this game online in olbbl and fummbl and in various naf tournaments in my state. Unless cyanide is changing this it would be helpful if they told us because some people only know the rules through this game which all are not the real rules. Cyanide seems to have changed figure characteristics prices and who know what else. This is not the real game of bloodbowl. People who play this game will have trouble playing in real life. Graphics are nice but graphics dont make a game. I turned off all unnecessary graphics to make game go faster. Still cant turn off that annoying injury pop up which slows down the game and messing things up.

For a kickoff

Place the ball
Roll on kickoff table
Resolve the kickoff result
Roll d8 for direction
Roll d6 for how many spaces to where the ball lands
Now if no one is in that square to attempt a catch like a player moved for high kick or a kickoff return player then ball bounces d8

There is no wind blowing from weather changing that would affect the kickoff.

Not sure if this is an error by cyanide but it seems i now have to get diving catch for my kick off returners. Just doesnt make sense

Re: (PC) Ball not right on Kickoffs.

Posted: 20 October 2015, 12:49
by Darkson
30 years playing this game online in olbbl and fummbl and in various naf tournaments in my state. Unless cyanide is changing this it would be helpful if they told us because some people only know the rules through this game which all are not the real rules. Cyanide seems to have changed figure characteristics prices and who know what else. This is not the real game of bloodbowl. People who play this game will have trouble playing in real life.

For a kickoff

Place the ball
Roll on kickoff table
Resolve the kickoff result
Roll d8 for direction
Roll d6 for how many spaces to where the ball lands
Now if no one is in that square to attempt a catch like a player moved for high kick or a kickoff return player then ball bounces d8
Those are NOT the Kick-Off rules, which you'd know if you'd been playing online for 30 years (which is quite good, seeing as the game is only 28 years old, and in this format only 21 years old).

For a kick-off: (Direct from the rule book)
1. Place the ball on the pitch
2. Scatter ball to determine where the ball is about to land
3. Roll on the Kick-Off table
4. Resolve the Kick-Off table result
5. Bounce/ catch/or touchback the ball

Kick-Off Return is used after #2 but before #3. "It allows the player to move up to 3 squares after the ball has been scattered but before rolling on the Kick-Off table"
There is no wind blowing from weather changing that would affect the kickoff.
Apart from the specific addition listed in #7 Changing Weather on the Kick-Off Table: "If the new Weather roll was a Nice result, then a gentle gust of wind makes the ball scatter one extra square in a random direction before landing."
And as the Kick-Off table is rolled AFTER moving a KoR player, the ball would not land in the square they were in (if you moved to the highlighted square).

Now, if it's not working after High Kick then that is a bug, but given that you don't know the Kick-Off sequence then you need someone else to checkthe replays to be sure.

Re: (PC) Ball not right on Kickoffs.

Posted: 20 October 2015, 19:14
by MightyQue
Sorry 29 years, Blood Bowl came out in 1986, still have it...

My fault, I never saw that change to the weather kickoff. Having people look into when that exactly changed.

I know for a fact that when playing the computer against high elves, they got high kick and they didnt get a chance to catch the ball. I will start keeping track of events and stuff because I am still having an issues with Multiple Block on my Deathroller, wont do the 2nd block, has done it once in the last 30 games.

Is there a way to post a link to a game, a portion of the game when these things happen ?

Re: (PC) Ball not right on Kickoffs.

Posted: 20 October 2015, 23:10
by Darkson
Sorry 29 years, Blood Bowl came out in 1986, still have it...
Don't know what you were playing then, as GW didn't release 1st edition Blood Bowl until 1987. :roll:
My fault, I never saw that change to the weather kickoff. Having people look into when that exactly changed.
Officially when LRB5 was released, 6 years ago, though the change was in the playtest rules for at least a year before that.

I know for a fact that when playing the computer against high elves, they got high kick and they didnt get a chance to catch the ball. [/quote]
Is that a "fact" like the ones you've got wrong above?

Re: (PC) Ball not right on Kickoffs.

Posted: 21 October 2015, 03:57
by MightyQue
Sorry 29 years, Blood Bowl came out in 1986, still have it...
Don't know what you were playing then, as GW didn't release 1st edition Blood Bowl until 1987. :roll:
My fault, I never saw that change to the weather kickoff. Having people look into when that exactly changed.
Officially when LRB5 was released, 6 years ago, though the change was in the playtest rules for at least a year before that.

I know for a fact that when playing the computer against high elves, they got high kick and they didnt get a chance to catch the ball.
Is that a "fact" like the ones you've got wrong above?[/quote]

First Edition
Released in 1986, the first edition of Blood Bowl was a simple game that used many of the elements of Games Workshop's existing tabletop games. Players in the first edition boxed set were represented by small pieces of cardboard illustrated with their likeness. Citadel Miniatures did release metal miniatures to represent players for 1st edition. I have the game also copyright 1986... So what if I am off a year, been playing since it first came out.